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was trying to tune into the game and then the game went off and cbs came on with a movie. they had two magnificent guys they were glorifying home moe sexuality. >> there is more and you can see them tomorrow night at 9:00. them tomorrow night at 9:00. "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, keeping them honest. billing you for patients that don't exist. officials going on record. also tonight, does the nsa have your number and web history and e-mails just a key stroke away? new reporting says yes and reveals the classified software they use to access that and more. we're joined by a lawmaker who wants to remain in the agency and is there a bellyache in this bag. an ugly stomach bug is linked to contaminated bugs of salad.
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why aren't they saying which brand to avoid? we'll invest get that. in rehab racket, we've been telling you this week what a year-long investigation for the center of investigative reporting reveals about a program that's costing us money, big money. the investigation documents how california's federally funded medicaid system, midical paid out $94 million, again, your money, in the past two years to drug clinics that show signs of deception or questionable billing practices. among scams, billing for phony patients, drug treatments never provided or treatments the patient didn't need. in one case the patient was dead. it's truly staggering stuff. drew griffin tried to get answers from officials but no one would talk on camera. instead, they couldn't get away from the camera fast enough. two weeks before this investigation began airing, state officials announced action and agreed to sit down and talk. you might ask after seeing
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tonight's final installment what took them so long and whether their promises to get tough actually add up. drew griffin tonight, keeping them honest. >> reporter: georgia shouldn't be in california's drug rehab business. you seem to be at the center of fraud allegations here. >> no, no, no. >> reporter: he's banned from billing medicaid since 2002 but still billing california. he's accused of fraud length practices at his drug rehab clinic but it hasn't stopped him from billing the state of california, either. mr. jindu -- >> yes. who are you? >> reporter: i just told you i'm drew griffin. you're billing for county services you're not providing, sir. this man, alexander firdman convicted for running an organized crime ring in texas ripping off insurance companies. it hasn't stopped him from coming to california, setting up
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a drug rehab clinic and billing taxpayers even though felons are barred from running drug rehab centers. how can a guy with a record like you run a drug rehab clinic in california this is a mayor insurance car crash scheme in texas? >> i was convicted, but it's not what it seems. >> reporter: in the last two fiscal years, taxpayers spent $186 million supposedly treating drug and alcohol abuse patients in california. our investigation with the center for investigative reporting found half of that money, or about $94 million has gone to clinics that have shown questionable billing practices or signs of fraud. joy jaffers former supervisor says she complained to the state for years about all the obvious fraud. we found billing records for people in jail.
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one person dead. people who said they didn't need this kind of treatment. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: clinics closed on a certain day, billing for that certain day, none of this surprises you? >> not at all. we found all of those things. >> reporter: for more than a month, cnn is asking for an explanation for the state of california and for more than a month, we've gotten nowhere. >> i believe the interview was declined. >> reporter: can i ask from you why? >> that wasn't my decision. >> reporter: state health officials in one sacramento building after another refused to be questioned, including toby douglas who oversees drug medical. will you make sure to provide a response as why this wide-spread fraud is allowed to continue? finally, weeks after calling the state's secretary of health and
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human service dianna duly and getting now for an answer, we asked for a response in person. secretary duly, drew griffin with cnn. >> how do you do? >> reporter: we've been trying to reach you and talk about the wide spread fraud in the medical business but we're told nobody will talk to us about it. in an uncomfortable moment, the secretary of first refused to speak. secretary? do you know alex ferdman a convicted felon who apparently runs one of these clinics and bills the state of california for several years despite the fact there are complaints registered with the department about him? he's convicted of a major insurance fraud in the state of texas, but for somehow was able to get certified and has been billing. i'm just wondering if there is anybody in the state of california concerned about this fraud. then finally answer add question. >> the state of california takes fraud very seriously and there are many investigations
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underway. all allegations are given full and fair consideration and you've caught me running because i'm late for a meeting that -- >> reporter: i wonder if you would do one thing and ask toby douglas to sit down with us and explain with us -- >> if you want to give us a little bit of time -- >> reporter: we've been giving you a couple months. >> we have a budget we're completing and many priorities. information has been provided, answers have been provided. we have a very -- >> reporter: i understand. >> we have a very extensive fraud and investigation unit in medical that's one of the best in the country. >> reporter: two questions -- >> that's all i have to say. >> reporter: are you concerned there is massive fraud because that's what we're finding out and number two, as secretary of health could you have toby douglas sit down and talk to us about our specific questions?
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>> excuse me. >> reporter: that is hardly the end of the story. >> would you get security. >> reporter: our confrontational exchange with california's secretary of health and human services may, in fact, may have been the trigger for a mayor statewide crack down, one month later, nearly to the day the state sent out this news release, 16 drug medical centers are under investigation and temporarily suspended. this week california announced that figure jumped to 29 rehab centers and last week, california relengthed to cnn's interview request. chief deputy director of healthcare services karen johnson tried to explain why it has taken so long. >> we are going to review all of the drug medical providers in the state of california and we'll also require that they reenroll in our program so that
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they become recertified. >> reporter: based on that answer, i think it's fair to say that the oversight by the state of california up until now has been seriously lacking. agree? >> i wouldn't say that's not a fair characterization. it was all investigated. there are other complaints, those complaints were investigated, that is going to be part of the on going active investigation, and as i mentioned, we are looking at all of the cases and what is emerging is a much larger, bigger picture we need to address. >> reporter: a bigger picture of fraud? >> a bigger picture of problems. >> reporter: and only now two weeks before these two national news organizations are about to release a major tstudy of what e found was extensive fraud, is the state of california doing this extensive review.
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coincidence? >> it's not a fair ch characterizati characterization. >> reporter: why has it taken the state so long to catch up? >> there are bad people that want to scam this program, and we are going to do everything possible to investigate and deploy the necessary resources to improve and enhance our enforcement effort. >> reporter: so you feel the state of california has done enough? >> obviously, what has happened and what we see clearly, there is more that needs to be done. >> and drew griffin joins us now. i got to say this is awesome reporting. i mean, that -- the fact that they -- the state officials won't give you an interviews for weeks and weeks and weeks. >> right. >> and then are running into the ladies room to run away from you without even answering any questions is just stunning to me
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and it seems like they are trying to have it both ways. on the one hand we've been investigate thing stuff all along and all of a sudden they happen ton announce this huge review in the wake of your reporting. >> yeah, i think it's pretty obvious. just before air we found out that now 36 of these clinics have been referred to for the california department of justice for possible prosecution. the clinics are being shut down. alexander ferdman, the man that we showed in the piece, his clinic shut down. another voluntarily shut down a month ago. they do want it both ways. we're on top of it but we're doing this big overhaul and review of the situation. >> and working on the budget so we can't bother to talk to you. >> the problem is, they did know -- and that's the crux of what you see. if you've been watching the last several nights, they knew the fraud was going on. they had records of it. their investigators found it and little to nothing was done until now. >> and now, at least to you,
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california officials are saying the fraud is going to end or at least -- >> you know, we'll see, right? what they are saying is they will review all clinics, recertify all clinics and that should at least get away the felons running the clinics. >> the felons running the clinics -- >> who will oversee the clinics are closed on wednesdays but billing. the clinics are treating people that don't exist or are dead. we don't know the specifics of what their overhaul will look like. the state auditor, the state senator on your air last night. >> right. >> calling for an independent audit i think he's on to something. they have been the overseers and done a terrible job. >> the last three nights, every night i think it can't get worse or incredible, but your reporting is great. quick reminder, if you have a tip for drew on this or another story, you can let him know at cnn.com/investigate.
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follow me at anderson cooper on twitter. a lawmaker battling to curve the national security agency on how easily the nsa can access data. software that makes it as simple as point and click and o.j. simpson learns if he's getting parole but a big hump. parole does not mean freedom. we'll be right back. peoi go to angie's listt for all kinds of reasons. to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me away. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list.
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welcome back. new claims tonight how much low-level government employee ks find out about you with a few computer ski strokkey stokes. whether the director of the national security agency, people are feeling the heat. >> i'm saying i don't trust you. you lieed to congress. why would you believe you now? hearings, the office of the director of intelligence released a bach of classified documents on the intelligence gathering operations, material not scheduled for declassification until 2038. they included 2011 justice department briefing paper describing two programs for logging phone and e-mail data.
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it says quote only a tiny fraction of such records are ever viewed by nsa intelligence analysts but the new information shows accessing such information is available to a wide range of analysts and simple and easy to get detailed extensively, the program is called ex key score, an nsa analyst requires no previous analyst. they have to fill in a box state tlg is some kind of foreign connection. in audition, the article details how ex key score searches e-mail subject lines and the body of the message itself. social media activity and web browsing history. access to ex key score and search tools is limited. a skeptic tried and nearly succeeded last week in passing legislation to reign in the nsa and backing a bipartisan effort to try again. congressman, this program revealed in the guardian today,
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ex key score, how concerned should people be? >> very concerned. we'll have a classified breaching tomorrow with keith alexander and i intend to ask questions. one thing we don't know is where is the content coming from? there is an array of content coming in, whether e-mails or other enter nate information and we would like to know where this data is coming from. >> did you know about this before hand? because what the people in the intelligence community says is there is congressional oversight but there is only congressional oversight what the nsa tells you about. >> yeah, we have these briefings and is it possible in some documented somewhere when they hand you 200 pages and say can only look at it in a room? it's possible. the problem we have in these briefings is we have to ask exactly the right question to get the right answer f. we don't
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ask the precise question, we don't get an answer. >> well, even when the director of national intelligence james clapper testified before -- you know, testified on capitol hill recently, he was asked point blank whether or not they collect data on american citizens, and clapper said no, not wittingly and sort of later on said well, the definition of collecting is different than the common definition. did he lie in your opinion? >> yes, he did lie. he lied to congress. he lied to the american people. i've called for him to step down, and i think she should face the same consequences any american would face who came to congress and gave false testimony or did so in a court proceeding and any ordinary american might face prison time for that. so we have to be treating government officials the same way we treat anyone else. >> we've had a number of intelligence officials over the last couple months or weeks saying well, you know, some of
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these programs, these collecting of meta data, collecting of phone calls or phone numbers, it's stopped dozens of terrorist attacks. now senator patrick lahe said maybe it stopped one when you look at the details, it has not stopped nearly the number some intelligence officials have been claiming. >> yeah, they have been -- there are many of them who have been very careful to say under this program and other programs we have stopped 54 terrorist attacks. there are some members of congress who have not been very careful and i think have bordered on giving false testimony to the american people, and we should take a close look at that, but yeah, they -- i think those who are careful and cautious about what they say realize that it's not this particular collection of phone records, mass collection of phone records that is doing the work here. >> i spoke to glenn greenwald on this program last night. he pointed out people within the government, high level officials
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leak classified information all the time if it suits their political interest or, you know, whatever interest they may have and nothing seems to happen to them and yet, people with no status, no political connections like bradley manning or edward snowden or lower officials leak classified information and get hit with the full blunt of the u.s. justice system. i'm not condoning the breaking of a law, but is the system unfair here? >> the system is unfair. we need a better way for those that want to blow the whistle on the government to do so. there is talk that edward snowden could go to, for example, a member of congress and tell them about the program, that it wasn't being applied in what he thought was a constitutional manner. that's not true. edward snowden couldn't come to me or most members of congress and talk about it. he had to go to superiors and might be able to talk to people on the intelligence committee. they don't have a lot of avenues and if you look at some of the intelligence committee members,
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it's pretty staffed in favor of people who support these programs with the exception of a few people like senator widen and others. >> appreciate your time. thank you. thanks so much. let's dig deeper with edward snowden's father and bruce. good to have you on the program. lawn, what is your reaction to this newly published information that your son gave them, there is a program that allows the nsa to access anything a typical user does on the internet? >> i find it shocking. it's a matter of more truth coming forward. i've only been able to scan the new information, but i'm very interested in seeing the two intelligence committees now, specifically mike rogers and what they are going to there to say. is there going to be more misdirection? we talk about james clapper but
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i think the leadership of the two is quite suspect. the congressman i believe alluded to it when he talked about how people answer questions. well, much of how you answer questions is framed by what questions are asked. so i would say that mike rogers, dutch, peter king, diane, feinstien and those leaders that put them there need to take a hard look at that leadership. i believe it's defish. in my prior career, when you have problems with oversight and there is a loss of confidence, you change the leadership. i believe it's time for that. >> i also would volunteer, it shows that sunshine is the best disinfectant. exactly why edward snowden's revolutions were so critical to the da memocracy and one thing today, that everyone was eager
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to discuss ways to reform and to curtail the programs that edward snowden revealed but it was like his name was taboo. no one would utter edward snowden's name because he showed they were not disclosing and conducting the oversight he did single handily 29 years old. >> lawn, a lot of people don't realize, you talked about your prior career in the coast guard, as i understand it. do you believe when you hear intelligence officials say these programs, some of the programs that your son revealed, that they stoppened dozens, more than 50 involved with the prevention of more than 50 terrorist attacks. do you believe that? >> no, you have to focus on the language. anyone in government who is trying to preserve a program or gain support for a program. you use the strongest possible language, and when we originally heard language from i believe general alexander giving
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testimonies, he was questioned by the house intelligence committee, the language they used was quote potential terrorist events end quote. that gets put into the media to afforded 50 terrorist attacks but i would be very interested in seeing the actual number of prosecutions and details on that. the bottom line is if you have to say 50 potential events, that's not very strong language. and -- but certainly again, i believe we need a strong intelligence community and they do good work and also a strong conventional defense. but it's a matter of priority and i really believe if we pull this thread, we'll find a bigger issue here. the issue is money and power. there are many corporations who benefit from these programs, as well as employees, i should say appointed officials within the intelligence community who bounce back and forth between government and corporate service and it's a cash cow to be quite
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frank. we have other, i believe, issues that politicians are ignoring because there is concern about votes. again, i'll go back to the southern border. certain politicians do not want to talk about security there. i would love to hear from some that are retire that have no fear of retired border officials that talk about how secure the border is. >> if i can interject, anderson, one defish see in that number, it doesn't state whatever was failed couldn't have been foiled with the patriot act section 215 in the fourth amendment. just to say we foiled something doesn't mean you have to go to that dragnet surveillance to discover what needed to be discovered. in fact, the testimony today there is a tiny, tiny fraction of data gathered on americans viewed as relevant. do you really need to gather the information? they asked maybe that's not what we need to do. we need to have a conversation,
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of course, none of them said the reason you're thinking about this is edward snowden. >> i want to ask you, lawn, there are a couple things you said to the washington post. i want more clarification on. you said the fbi asked you to travel to moscow to see your son awhile back. what -- you know, what did they expect you to do or hope you to do, and is that something you would still like to do at some point go there? >> i'm glad you asked that. i can't give you a date. it was sometime ago and they called and ask if i would be willing to get on a flight and go to moscow to see my son. and i was at home, and it was a complete surprise. i had no attorney at the time. i had done nothing wrong and i was adamant i would not have an attorney. and i thought about it and i wanted to say yes. and then i asked, are you sure my son is in moscow? they said no. i said wait, i'm not going to get on a flight and go to moscow
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to sit on a tack march to be an emotional tool to use against him. i want to first speak to my son. they said i'm not sure i can. i have buddy whose can set up communications anyplace on the planet. you know, all of the military services within a very short period of time. so that was the prerequisite. i said if you can set up communications and i can talk to my son and there is value, i would like to go. the positive thing that came out of that, i thought maybe i should have legal counsel if i get on an airplane and go to moscow that led me through a trusted advisor to bruce vine and other attorneys and that was a critical milestone for me, and i'm thankful for that. we tried to work with the fbi to set up communications. one of our requirements was going to be that attorney client privilege was respected. i wanted to establish that for
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my son if he came back to u.s. soil, and that's on advice of bruce, which is wise counsel i would have considered. i don't want to get into specifics, but it just went downhill. at this point, i have no desire to get on an aircraft with the fbi to fly to moscow because i have lost faith in the organization, the justice department that again, they are operating in good faith. >> you would actually tell your son, my understanding from what you said last week on this program, you would actually tell your son it's probably a good idea to stay in russia? is that true? >> no question. again, it's an evolution for me of watching, again, so many -- again, these folks on the intel committees, what i've seen from them and other comments from, again, the attorney general, the secretary of state at this point, absolutely i feel that it's in my son's best interest for personal safety and finding
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justice and which i hope he will be able to return to the united states and answer for this and the truth be told. in this climate i don't believe that's possible, so yes, i think russia is the best place for him. i think that's where he -- russia i believe has the strength and conviction to protect my son at this point. >> i want -- >> anderson -- >> before you jump in, i want to ask you one question i want you both to respond to. bradley manning was accused of leaking serious material and facing 136 years in prison. lon does that give you pause what it could mean for your son? >> certainly, it has implications but bradley manning was really a member of the military, as i was, for most of my life subject to the uniform code of military justice, tried in the military court.
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but certainly, i know how he was treated and ultimately it's the government at the highest levels that was responsible for that. so at this point, i'm really concerned about my son's safety. i'm not even thinking about what would happen in terms of the trial. that's why we have attorneys, bruce and access to many others and we're just not at that point now. i'm concerned about my son's immediate safety, security and health. >> bruce, go ahead. >> yeah, i think you can distinguish edward snowden's case from bradley mannings with regard to the substance of what he disclosed. it would be a violation of the first amendment in my view for the government to punish the disclosure of wrongful government action. we have a right to petition for grievances under the first amendment. i did want to volunteer last evening i did have an opportunity to speak to edward snowden's attorney in russia and we had a pleasant conversation. he did reassure me that edward is in good health and there may
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be a time where it could be constructive to try to meet and see whether there can't beco be common ground that interests the united states. mr. snowden, lon, his father and russia in trying to resolve this in a way that honors due process and fairness and civilization. >> bruce vine, lon snowden thank you very much. breaking news about aeriari cast castro's sentencing hero and o.j. simpsons wins parole but not his freedom. we'll explain that ahead. [ engine revving ] ♪ [ male announcer ] it's a golden opportunity
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breaking news tonight out of cleveland on the eve of ariel castro's sentencing hearing. he pleaded guilty last week to more than 900 counts that took the death penalty off the table. he's expected to speak tomorrow in court. we have information about tomorrow's hearing. what can we expect tomorrow? what will happen? >> reporter: anderson, certainly a dramatic proceeding tomorrow. we'll see evidence taken from ariel castro's home and we're hearing from sources, one of the three victims will actually be making an impact statement tomorrow, and we're hearing from sources that will likely be
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michelle night. that could change between now and then. she could change her mind but as of now, we're hearing michelle knight will make an impact statement through video or in the courtroom with ariel castro sitting there. that may surprise some people because according to sources and police reports marx shell knight experienced the worst abuse over the last ten years. but this could be therapeutic and empowering for her, anderson, according to psychologists and also, she's been showing gratitude. she wrote a thank you letter to cleveland police who have been helping her. they posted this on their facebook page today and in the letter michelle night says you don't know how much i appreciate your time and work collecting cards and gifts from people for me and the other girls. i'm overwhelmed by the amount of thoughts prayers and excessed by complete strangers it's comforting. life is tough but i'm tougher. when the caterpillar thought the world was over, she became the butterfly. we expect to hear the same tone
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from her, same showing of gratitude tomorrow if she does make the impact statement. >> is ariel castro actually speaking tomorrow? >> reporter: his attorney is saying yes and he's saying that he's expected to be apologize get tick. it really could be the first time we see ariel castro being remorse remorseful. i spoke to someone close to ariel castro today and she says he will be explaining a lot tomorrow. we could see another side of ariel castro that he's not the monster everyone thinks he is. >> that would be quite a statement if he's able to convince anybody of that. pam brown, thanks very much. coming up, o.j. simpson learns whether he's granted parole and a bagged salad mix made hundreds of people six. the question is, why aren't they saying which brand is the cull brett? we'll hear from sanjay gupta coming up.
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parole. we'll tell you more ahead.
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well, today o.j. simpson was granted parole in armed robbery but he won't get out of prison any time soon. he's been there for five years and will have to stay for more years because he's only granted parole on some charges and serving consecutive sentences. >> they told me what was expected of me here and i gave them my word i would try to be or would be the best prisoner they have had here and i think for the most part, i've kept my word on that. >> joining me now is jeffrey toobin and criminal attorney mark geragos. jeff, at least for this case, o.j. simpson really shouldn't have been convicted on this. >> well, you know, if there is any justice, o.j. simpson should be in prison for life for killing ron gold man and nicole brown. >> his wife. >> but he got acquitted for
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better or worse, and this case is ridiculous. i mean, he -- he's accused of trying to steal his own stuff. >> memorabilia. >> and someone else had a gun and he's accused of knowing about the guy having the gun. the guy with the gun is out of prison. o.j. didn't have a gun. it just the most ridiculous form of pay back in it's a bogus case. >> so you have no doubt pay back was involved here? >> absolutely. it was involved in the decision to charge him, the jury's decision to convict him. the length of the sentence. it couldn't happen to be a nicer guy, as far as i'm concerned, but this is just an unjust situation. >> mark, i want to play one more clip from o.j.'s parole hearing last week. lest listen. >> i knew both of these guys who had my stuff. i was a little upset with them, and i think i wasn't as civil as i should have been. i brought some guys with me who i didn't really know and one i didn't trust, and that's on me.
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for that, i've been here for five years and all i can do about it since i've been here is be as respectful and as straightforward as i could be with the staff here at love lock and do my time as best as i can do it. >> mark, do you agree with jeff this is basically pay back? >> yeah, this was a prosecution by proxy or prosecution pay back. this case normally would have been what's called a da reject, which is when the cops take to the a prosecutor they would have rejected this case and said this is a civil matter. if you believe him and i think he made a compelling statement, not this this parole hearing today but the motion for the habeas maybe earlier, he consulted with yale and yale, his then lawyer told him, you know, as long as you didn't use force and that was okay to go do, it really is an outrageous
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sentence. i agree with jeff's shock oh shock it couldn't happen to a nicer guy, but the fact is is that we have a system and just because the prosecutors didn't get a conviction in l.a., doesn't mean that the prosecutors in nevada are supposed to pay him back because it didn't work in los angeles. i mean, when you think about the amount of time he got on this case and the fact that he's actually done five years, and, you know, the news today is doing four more years on this case, i mean, i've had clients who have shot and killed people who have done less time. >> wow. >> think about it, nine years for having a screaming fight in a hotel room over property that might well have been his? i mean, it's just an outrageous, outrageous case. again, i have no sympathy for this guy, but if you want to just look at the criminal justice system in action, it's
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just wrong. >> and yet, mark, he's not going to get -- he's not going to get freedom right now because these were consecutive, correct? >> correct and it's not going to happen on this proceeding -- >> he's fighting for a new trial? >> right, he's fighting for the new trial. it could very well happen on the new trial proceeding. so this is important for him legally because if he wins the new trial, he could arguably say at that point, make a bail application and get released on bail pending the trial. so this is significant for him. it's a big win for him, although, as jeff says, it doesn't do much. he's still facing four in these proceedings. >> jeff toobin, mark geragos, thanks very much. a research scientists accused of killing his wife with cyanide enters a plea. that's next. i think farmers care more about the land
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good news they figured out what made so many people sick but what they aren't saying got our attention. they aren't naming the specific brand of salad. this is the first thing people want to know so they can avoid getting sick. dr. son jay coupe to gains me. >> it seems the name is something they need to know. >> walking around the building today that is what everyone is asking. >> exactly. >> a couple things going on they don't know yet. this is more complicated sort of investigation than people realize in part because this is mixed salad. you have salad, you have iceberg, romaine, cabbage. they were sold in grocery stores and restaurants which means they could have gotten the components from different places and combined them. that's part of the issue. also, you have this notion that these illnesses started to happen in mid june. so whatever it was, it's probably -- that was a parishble
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item so it's probably off the shelves by now so it may not make a difference to release a brand. you won't throw anything away. >> do they know how the parasite got into the salad? >> they believe it happened before it got into the bag. they don't think it was contamination from the bags for example. so really, maybe the irrigation water for the vegetables themselves or during the prowashing process. these are called prewash. they wash them once and put them in the bag. at one of those two steps. if it is irrigation water, is it still irrigating and contaminating more vegetables. >> can people still get sick or is it off the shelves? >> for this particular episode or outbreak it's off the shelves. in mid june, it would just because of the nature of the food supply it would be out of the grocery stores and out of people's refrigerators by now. if it's not out of your refrigerat refrigerator, it should be given it's been a month and a half. it can take a long time to get
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sick after you get the parasite in your body. it could take weeks. it's possible to see new cases of this but probably still related to the initial outbreak. >> we have digital dashboard question. could the ability of these parasites that make people ill been eliminate fd you washed it first? >> it's hard to wash the parasites completely off the vegetables. presumably, they were prewashed. if that wasn't contaminated water, it should have done the job. you can wash these vegetables again but the biggest concern is cross contamination from your kitchen so hold them in the faucet, not put them in the sink. dry them as well because you can develop a residue as part of the washing process you almost literally need to clean off. sounds like a lot of work to do but that's what is necessary for this parricide. >> incredible stuff.
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thanks. >> you got it. thank you. cyclospora is the name of the para site. the profession sore accused of killing his physician wife with cyanide pleaded not guilty today. he was extradited after a nationwide man haunt. she died in april. she was heard of number rolg. a despicable pr stunt, joining instagram, the pictures posted show him and his wife meeting officials, visiting sierrans in the hospital and attending political rallies. there are no pictures of syria's bloody war. an extraordinary sight, a seal gave birth at a marina right on the dock. mama and her pup stayed on dry
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